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« on: Jul 30th, 2003, 11:37am »		 Quote Quote Modify Modify
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush said Wednesday he has government lawyers working on a law that would define marriage as a union between a woman and a man, casting aside calls to legalize gay marriages.  
 
"I believe marriage is between a man and a woman and I believe we ought to codify that one way or the other and we have lawyers looking at the best way to do that," the president said a wide-ranging news conference at the White House Rose Garden.  
 
Bush also urged, however, that America remain a "welcoming country" -- not polarized on the issue of homosexuality.  
 
"I am mindful that we're all sinners and I caution those who may try to take a speck out of the neighbor's eye when they got a log in their own," the president said. "I think it is important for our society to respect each individual, to welcome those with good hearts."  
 
"On the other hand, that does not mean that someone like me needs to compromise on the issue of marriage," he added.  
 
Bush has long opposed gay marriage but as recently as earlier this month had said that a constitutional ban on gay marriage proposed in the House might not be needed despite a Supreme Court decision that some conservatives think opens the door to legalizing same-sex marriages.  
 
The Supreme Court struck down a Texas law that made homosexual sex a crime, overturning an earlier ruling that said states could punish homosexuals for having sex.  
 
Conservative Justice Antonin Scalia fired off a blistering dissent of the ruling.  
 
The "opinion dismantles the structure of constitutional law that has permitted a distinction to be made between heterosexual and homosexual unions, insofar as formal recognition in marriage is concerned," Scalia wrote. The ruling specifically said that the court was not addressing that issue, but Scalia warned, "Do not believe it."  
 
Rep. Marilyn Musgrave, R-Colorado, is the main sponsor of the proposal offered May 21 to amend the Constitution. It was referred on June 25 to the House Judiciary subcommittee on the Constitution.  
 
To be added to the Constitution, the proposal must be approved by two-thirds of the House and the Senate and ratified by three-fourths of the states.  
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 30th, 2003, 11:37am »		 Quote Quote Modify Modify
bah!  :tdown:  Angry
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Just a question why do we need our President or anyone to define marriage? Far as i am concerned it is a moral emotional and spirtual committment to your partner. That doesnt need definition I donot understand why some men and women prefer their own but I respect their right to do so their love isnt any different than my love for my wife so their relationship (as far as I am concerned) doesnt need definition its between them and the rest of the country should respect that bond and that love!
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 30th, 2003, 6:27pm »		 Quote Quote Modify Modify
ITA with Rhune and David.  In fact, I'll have to tell you that when I heard Bush speaking about it this morning - I nearly heaved.  Denying homosexuals a recognized marriage is NOT what I'd call democratic or constitutional.
 
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 30th, 2003, 7:17pm »		 Quote Quote Modify Modify
I will just say that I think the President should be concentrating on more important things...like getting our economy out of the toilet thank you very much!!
 
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 31st, 2003, 8:15am »		 Quote Quote Modify Modify
Why is he working so hard on this issue?  It is clearly stated in the BIBLE.  Boy, will he ever mess up this subject!!!
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Regardless of side anyone may take The President isnt the person to be doing this! A relationship )of anykind) is between those persons and NOT for ONE MAN to decide
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 31st, 2003, 10:32am »		 Quote Quote Modify Modify
Well, somewhere it's written in the Bible the Lord said (loosely described) that man shall not lie with man.   Now, I'm not going to preach but that's the belief I was raised with.
 
I don't mean to go against the Lord's word, so far as it has or has not been correctly translated.  My understanding is the Bible was written over a long period of time by a lot of men - according to the times of those days.
 
So much has evolved since then - not all good but not all bad either.  That being stated by me, I don't need President Bush or the Pope or anyone telling what is the definition of "marriage".  
 
Recently, I stated my feelings about the USA in relationship to the present war.  And on this subject, I would go further and say stay out of the personal lives/activities of people!!!  Going behind closed doors of people and dictating what they can and cannot do/or have simply because they're homosexual - is despicable and uncondonable.
 
President Bush or whomever, have no right to be judgemental on this issue.  Gays hurt, work, love and cry and bleed just like any other human being.  They pay their taxes, vote and are as involved in various aspects of their lives as heterosexuals.  IMNSHO, gays should be afforded the same right to have a legally recognized marriage as heteros.
 
Okay - off my  :soapbox: now.  Just my  :twocents:
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Cool Cool Weather we agree or disagree with same sex relationships this country was founded on FREEDOM our NOT regonizing these relationships and giving them the same rights is NOT one man's decision its the persons who are in the relationship. I am no Lawyer but if he defines marriage he may be causing harm to those who choose to live together rather than marry. Common Law marriages! Which right now I believe allows the "live in" partner to same rights as a wife/husband. If President defines marriage he could cause these persons to loose their rights as common law partners! But then what do I know lol
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Common law marriages - oh how many horror stories I've heard about this - for both straight and gay people.  So often - regardless of how many years these people have been a couple (10 - 40 years) - the respective families can contest and take personal items from the remaining partner.  
 
Quoting Bush:
 
"Bush also urged, however, that America remain a "welcoming country" -- not polarized on the issue of homosexuality.  
 
"I am mindful that we're all sinners and I caution those who may try to take a speck out of the neighbor's eye when they got a log in their own," the president said. "I think it is important for our society to respect each individual, to welcome those with good hearts."  
 
Do you see the contradictions in his statements?  Here's another:
 
"On the other hand, that does not mean that someone like me needs to compromise on the issue of marriage," he added.
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Thank you for that i hadnt seen it but from my view I fail to see where word "compromise" applies to this! No One is harmed by these relationships regardless of our personalviews on them.
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Hi...
I have been lurking for awhile,  reading all the posts here and on the grapevine,and today I...   I have wanted to post a reply,  but always held back because of my relationship with R&C.  
 I was busy reading the TAR comments, and since we had company, hadn't read the newspaper yet.  
 I just got a call from a reporter from our local paper asking me how I felt about President Bush's statement.  
I told her after she gave me the fine (??) points of what he said," I can't believe that a president would make a statement that will set back all of the progress that has been made on the acceptance of the homosexual ( and I hate to have to use any term like that, instead of wonderful, loving men and women ) community in today's society."
I feel sick!
I feel betrayed by the leader of our country!
I have lost faith in my religion ( not my God ) by remarks by the pope.
What next to shake my faith in mankind??
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mum thank you for your really thoughtful reply to this issue.  I have not followed what is happening in the United States but I am proud of my country Canada for starting the process of rewriting all its laws to change them so that marriage is not only between a man and a woman.  
 
I am proud that it was found to be unconstitutional and that religious views and government views can all be respected.  Religion should not be part of government in my opinion. we are all different, with different religions and different cultures.  Government is here to respect and value each individual and I hope that some day all countries will respect this view in peace.
 
Your post is great and thanks for joining us here.  
 
I hope once the show is over that you stay with us and post where you choose.  I really think you can post where you like right now but I realize the risk with the show on.
 
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