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« on: Dec 18^th, 2003, 12:51pm »

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IMNSHO: This is very UNpc and one step over the line.

http://www.furisdead.com/momfur.html

PETA activists - including cuddly, costumed raccoons and foxes - are making guest appearances outside performances of The Nutcracker across the country this holiday season with a cheeky message of compassion. As children arrive to see the "Dance of the Sugarplum Fairy," some will be unaware that their mothers are already starring in a real-life horror story! PETA will be there to greet any fur-clad moms and their children with their newest anti-fur leaflet-PETA Comics presents..."Your Mommy Kills Animals!"

Kids will see the bloody truth behind their moms pretentious pelts. Accompanied by graphic photographs of skinned carcasses and animals languishing on fur farms, children will read: "Lots of wonderful foxes, raccoons, and other animals are kept by mean farmers who squish them into cages so small that they can hardly move. They never get to play or swim or have fun. All they can do is cry-just so your greedy mommy can have that fur coat to show off in when she walks the streets."

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« Reply #1 on: Dec 18^th, 2003, 2:40pm »

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What is the matter with some people? Undecided

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« Reply #2 on: Dec 18^th, 2003, 2:49pm »

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on Dec 18^th, 2003, 2:40pm, Rhune wrote:

What is the matter with some people? Undecided

If one of those children had been mine - I'd have chased them down the street and.... Or maybe I'd call 911. That kind of literature should not be given to children. Is PETA being run by a bunch of fanatics who have lost their power of reason?

Too much!

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http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=furfarm

Narration: Stella McCartney's Anti-Fur Ad
Why the fuss about fur? Tune in to PETAs investigation, narrated by top designer Stella McCartney, and youll see what all the hoopla is about.

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« Reply #3 on: Dec 18^th, 2003, 3:08pm »

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I respect those with causes even one I dont always agree with but there is a point when you become more villianous that those you attack! This is clearly one of those cases i dont always agree with PETA but to harm children (and this is harm) to make a point is 100% WRONG!

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on Dec 18^th, 2003, 3:08pm, david wrote:

......but to harm children (and this is harm) to make a point is 100% WRONG!

It is horrendous for these people to take it upon themselves to approach children with such material. I can only hope and pray someone, somewhere, makes this organization realize they could/would serve with more success than to "use" children with such tactics.

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« Reply #5 on: Dec 18^th, 2003, 4:00pm »

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While I do not wear fur and never will, I am grossed out by the tactics they would use on little kids. Shame on them...

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« Reply #6 on: Dec 18^th, 2003, 10:12pm »

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PETA . . . Phffffft, . . . . . just another bunch of organized wackos putting forth their own brand of extremist views while operating under the guise of "providing a service".

Their philosophy of using any and all means to justify the delivery of their agenda and their message is self-defeating.

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« Reply #7 on: Dec 19^th, 2003, 8:44pm »

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Well put Bump "Bravo"

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« Reply #8 on: Dec 20^th, 2003, 3:36am »

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Kudos Bumper. What you said. Cool

Can I say the same about the ACLU?

Mind your manners lake. Angry

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« Reply #9 on: Dec 20^th, 2003, 2:57pm »

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PETA............PHHHHT, I say! .......and I wont' say that I will never wear fur, for I do!

ACLU, LOL on that, also some others!

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« Reply #10 on: Dec 20^th, 2003, 8:41pm »

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I don't wear fur either, and I hate the horrible cruelty shown in that video, but I also abhor the tactics used by PETA. As Bump said, those tactics don't make them friends, they make enemies.

As I said at Chatter, if PETA is made up of even semi intelligent people, they have to know that, while they certainly get attention, they aren't winning supporters with the sort of "comic" shown above, by throwing paint on people, or by many other similar tactics they typically adopt. Makes me wonder what their REAL agenda is.

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« Reply #11 on: Dec 21^st, 2003, 7:23am »

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I did some digging around, trying to find PETA's "mission statement" or something similar. I went to their FAQ's - http://www.peta.org/about/faq.asp and here, in part, is what I found. I must say - I feel these people (IMNSHO) have lost sight of whatever their original intentions were in the conception of PETA. But then....just my :twocents:

Its fine for you to believe in animal rights, but you shouldnt tell other people what to do.

Now you are telling me what to do!

Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but freedom of thought does not always imply freedom of action. You are free to believe whatever you want as long as you dont hurt others. You may believe that animals should be killed, that black people should be enslaved, or that women should be beaten, but you dont always have the right to put your beliefs into practice.

As for telling people what to do, society exists so that there will be rules governing peoples behavior. The very nature of reform movements is to tell others what to dodont use humans as slaves, dont sexually harass women, etc.and all movements initially encounter opposition from people who want to go on doing the criticized behavior.

Its almost impossible to avoid using all animal products; if youre still causing animal suffering without realizing it, what's the point?

It is impossible to live your life without causing some harm; weve all accidentally stepped on ants or breathed in gnats, but that doesnt mean we should intentionally cause unnecessary harm. Just because you might accidentally hit someone with your car is no reason to run someone over on purpose.

Dont animal rights activists commit terrorist acts?

The animal rights movement is nonviolent. One of the central beliefs shared by most animal rights people is rejection of harm to any animal, human or otherwise. However, any large movement is going to have factions that believe in the use of force.

How can you justify the millions of dollars worth of property damage by the Animal Liberation Front (ALF)?

Throughout history, some people have felt the need to break the law to fight injustice. The Underground Railroad and the French Resistance are both examples of people breaking the law in order to answer to a higher morality.

The ALF, which is simply the name adopted by people acting illegally in behalf of animal rights, breaks inanimate objects such as stereotaxic devices and decapitators in order to save lives. It burns empty buildings in which animals are tortured and killed. ALF "raids" have given us proof of horrific cruelty that would not have been discovered or believed otherwise. They have resulted in officials filing of criminal charges against laboratories, citing of experimenters for violations of the Animal Welfare Act, and, in some cases, shutting down of abusive labs for good. Often ALF raids have been followed by widespread scientific condemnation of the practices occurring in the targeted labs.

How can you justify spending your time on animals when there are so many people who need help?

There are very serious problems in the world that deserve our attention; cruelty to animals is one of them. We should try to alleviate suffering wherever we can. Helping animals is not any more or less important than helping human beingsthey are both important. Animal suffering and human suffering are interconnected.

Wasnt Hitler in favor of animal rights?

Although the Nazis purported to pass an anti-vivisection bill, they did not. In fact, they were required by law to first perform their experiments on animals before carrying them out on humans. Experiments on humans did not replace animal experiments; on the contrary, animal experiments made them possible. John Vyvyan in The Dark Face of Science summed it up correctly: The experiments made on prisoners were many and diverse, but they had one thing in common: All were in continuation of or complementary to experiments on animals. In every instance, this antecedent scientific literature is mentioned in the evidence; and at Buchenwald and Auschwitz concentration camps, human and animal experiments were carried out simultaneously as parts of a single programme. (p.159, The Dark Face of Science)

However, even if this weren't the case, the merits of an idea cannot be determined by the character of its proponents. If Hitler believed in evolution, does that mean we should not believe in evolution? What if Gandhi also believed in evolutionhow would we reconcile the two? An idea must be judged on its own merits.

So, if you can stomach reading all this tripe, please click on the URL above. :barf:

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« Reply #12 on: Dec 21^st, 2003, 10:38am »

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I've seen the video and I still stick to my statement, I'll wear my fur. As it was explained, these minks are bred for this and that is all theya re good for! They are very mean creatures! Pretty, but mean.

Everyone has their own opinion!

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Phfffffffft! You can say that again. I was searching for something and looky here what I found.

on May 31^st, 2002, 10:04pm, Rhune wrote:

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/news-story.asp?date=052802&ID=s115509 2

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PETA could lose nonprofit status

Animal-rights organization gave money to group on FBI's `terrorist' list

Jodi Sokolowski
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Correction Due to a computer error, a portion of this story was omitted. It has now been restored and is posted in its entirety.

WASHINGTON -- An animal-rights group should lose its tax-exempt status because it gave $1,500 to a group the FBI lists as "terrorist," say two pro-business groups on the other side of the ongoing debate on animal treatment.

An expert in tax law agrees that People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals might have jeopardized its crucial status as a nonprofit charity.

A form PETA filed with the Internal Revenue Service shows it gave $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front last April "to support program activities." PETA offered several different explanations for the payment.

The Center for Consumer Freedom, a coalition of restaurants, and the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise, a group composed of mostly business and property owners, say the donation should cost PETA its nonprofit status.

"The implication is PETA is funding someone who (wants to) overthrow the government of the United States," said Ron Arnold, Free Enterprise center executive vice president.

PETA President Ingrid Newkirk said groups that don't agree with its mission are looking for reasons to hurt them. PETA's attorney Jeffrey Kerr called it a "smear campaign."

"This is a straw man," Newkirk said. "They're trying to create dirt where no dirt exists."

The IRS reviewed PETA's records several years ago, "took us apart seam by seam," and came up with nothing, she added.

The FBI has labeled ELF and its ally Animal Liberation Front as terrorist organizations. It estimates the two groups have committed more than 600 criminal acts since 1996, primarily arson, causing at least $43million in damage.

ELF and ALF attacks on local universities and businesses, such as Washington State University in Pullman and Jefferson Poplar Farms in Oregon, have raised concern about eco-terrorism threats in the area.

U.S. Rep. George Nethercutt of Spokane has proposed tougher penalties for people convicted of "agro-terrorism."

The current ELF spokesman, Leslie James Pickering, did not respond to requests for a comment for this story.

Consumer Freedom's executive director, Richard Berman, complained about PETA's $1,500 donation early this year at a congressional hearing on eco-terrorism where Nethercutt's bill was discussed.

Patti Strand, president of the National Animal Interest Alliance in Portland, a nonprofit animal-welfare organization, contends the payment is part of a well-orchestrated effort.

"This is a very shrewd, business-savvy organization. Nothing they do is spontaneous," she said.

The conflict represents the different positions in the debate between animal-rights and animal-welfare advocates. Animal-rights groups like PETA believe animals shouldn't be used for research, food, products or entertainment. Animal-welfare groups like the alliance believe it's OK to use animals as long as they're treated humanely and thinks animal-rights groups exaggerate abuse claims to increase fund raising and membership.

Newkirk said animal-welfare groups don't want animal-rights groups to get their message out: "They don't want people to know what goes into their meat," she said.

Nonprofits, such as PETA, the alliance and the two pro-business centers, are all funded by private donations and permitted to give to other charitable organizations. The recipient doesn't have to be a nonprofit group but the money must go to charitable purposes. Federal law also prohibits nonprofits from financially supporting terrorism.

In a 12-page letter to the IRS in March, Arnold listed examples of PETA activities he said border on inappropriate behavior.

He requested a thorough examination of PETA's history, including paying legal fees for ALF and PETA members charged with misdemeanors and felonies. He also cited statements by Newkirk and Bruce Friedrich, PETA's vegan campaign coordinator, that Arnold believes encourage civil disobedience or more extreme tactics.

Newkirk said the group is just exercising its First Amendment rights. Strand said the group uses freedom of speech "as sword and shield."

Kerr, PETA's lawyer, said the group refuses to "condone or condemn actions attributed to ELF. (Actions) have occurred without any input or endorsement from PETA," he wrote to the House forest health subcommittee after its Feb. 12 hearing on eco-terrorism. Financial support for legal defense does not mean the group condones illegal actions, and to suggest it does is "wrong and inexcusable," he wrote.

Paying for someone's legal assistance is weak grounds to investigate a group's nonprofit status, said John Lawley, an American University law student who has researched PETA's tax-exempt status.

Such donations are a legitimate function of a nonprofit because they fall under social policy, which relieves the government of the obligation to provide defense counsel, he said.

But PETA's $1,500 donation to ELF could be grounds to lose its tax-exempt status, he said.

"Eco-terrorism clearly violates public policy," Lawley wrote in a recent study. "Activities employed by eco-terror groups call for the violent destruction of property and the express goal of inflicting economic damage on their perceived foes."

Kenneth Anderson, an American University College of Law professor who teaches nonprofit taxation, agreed: "Anything PETA does with money has to be a charitable purpose. How can it be a charitable purpose if they're giving it to a terrorist organization?"

The fact that the FBI labels ELF as a terrorist organization should be enough for the FBI to investigate PETA, he said.

In recent months, PETA officials have offered several explanations of the $1,500 check to ELF.

On Feb. 26, Newkirk told ABC News she did not remember the check. On March 4, the Associated Press quoted her as saying it was a request for funds for educational materials. The following day, she was quoted by KOMO-TV in Seattle as saying it was being used for "habitat protection."

Two days later, Lisa Lange, the group's director of policy and communications, said on a FOX News program the money was for a program about vegetarianism. On March 14, Kerr wrote to Rep. Scott McInnis, R-Colo., chairman of the House Forest and Forest Health Subcommittee, that the $1,500 was "to assist (former ELF spokesman Craig) Rosebraugh with legal expenses related to free-speech activities regarding animal protection issues."

Newkirk offered that same explanation in a recent interview with The Spokesman-Review, saying the money assisted Rose-braugh for legal defense when he was subpoenaed to testify before McInnis's subcommittee. Rosebraugh invoked the Fifth Amendment more than 50 times during that appearance.

She believes Rosebraugh is being harassed: "He's not even being charged with anything. This country is supposed to hold free speech sacred and not pursue those that say they're fed up with animal abuse and will pass off information from those that are exposing it."

But IRS records show the check was written in April 2001, 11 months before the hearing was held. The group said the check was "to support program activities," which means the organization could be cited for improper record keeping, Anderson said. PETA used the same description for every expenditure in 2001.

"Not keeping proper records is a killer right there," Anderson said. "Even if they say it's an honest mistake, it was a record-keeping error. If you want the tax exemption, you have to keep proper records."

The IRS does not have to prove PETA gave money for improper purposes on an improper record-keeping charge, he added.

Josh Penry, spokesman for the subcommittee, said PETA's recent answer that the $1,500 was intended for legal defense is "weak."

"You can move money around. ELF could have spent that however they wanted," he said.

Anderson said it's up to the IRS to determine what the penalty is if it revokes PETA's tax-exempt status. But, he said the real question is whether the IRS will investigate an allegation that amounts to such a tiny percent of the group's annual $14 million budget.

"Most large charities wind up making expenditures that after the fact are questionable," Anderson said. "It's very rare for the IRS to revoke the status of an organization for, relatively speaking, minor amounts. It's just crazy."

If the IRS does revoke PETA's tax-exempt status, however, it would have a significant impact on the organization, Anderson said.

"People who donate can't take a tax deduction," he said. "It would make life much tougher for the organization. But it's not the end of the world; we're not talking about people going to jail."

Congress also could pass a new law, he said.

"Congress could say any group that contributes one penny to a terrorist organization listed by the FBI could lose its tax-exempt status," Anderson said.

Nethercutt's proposed legislation would increase penalties and fines for eco-terrorism-related violations. If that bill is passed, he said, the next step could be to look into nonprofit tax law.

"It's unacceptable that any nonprofit in this country would support a self-described group like ELF," he said.

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More black marks against PETA.....I had no idea...
www.amprogress.org/News/News.cfm?ID=418&c=63
www.the-aps.org/pa/action/news/peta.htm

AnimalRights.Net, Debunking the animal rights movement www.animalrights.net/discussion/fullThread$msgNum=65013&page=4

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