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Katie Holmes more Zombie like than ever
« on: Jul 11^th, 2005, 8:31am »

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This story just makes me so sad Sad

Katie Holmes: 'War' Has Just Begun

Katie Holmes' interview in W magazine has set off a firestorm.

Reading it can only be even be more worrisome for her parents as they see the steady hold Tom Cruise and Scientology have taken of their beloved daughter.

There is no way to minimize the frightening aspect of the interview.

Holmes, who previously was a sweet, thoughtful, articulate young woman, now comes across like a zombie.

She's accompanied on the interview by Jessica Feshbach Rodriguez, her Scientology minder.

You may remember that I told you about Feshbach some weeks ago. Her family is a top financial donor to Scientology.

Feshbach, whom Holmes calls her "best friend" in the interview, after six weeks of knowing her, is a high-level Scientologist.

According to the various Web sites that monitor the L. Ron Hubbard-founded religion, Feshbach completed courses called "Security Checker Internship," "False Purpose Rundown Auditorship" and "Clear Certainty."

According to those who accompanied Holmes through her various publicity trips this spring, Feshbach has never left her side.

Neither have other "monitors" who followed Holmes everywhere she went, according to sources, constantly whispering in walkie talkie-like devices (those things that are strapped to wrists, connected to ear pieces) even when she was going to the bathroom.

In the meantime: Yesterday, the New York Post's Page Six gossip column reported a story that was sent out by an anti-Scientology watcher on Friday.

It's the news that Cruise and Nicole Kidman's 12-year-old daughter Isabella Cruise has been listed in the Scientology bulletin for completing the basic course. She's under the name "Bella Cruise."

This can only be heartbreaking for Kidman, who as Holmes once was is a devout Roman Catholic from an observant family.

This column reported exclusively a couple of weeks ago that the Cruise-Kidman kids are educated at Tom's home in Beverly Hills by his two sisters, with an emphasis on the teachings of Scientology.

This raises the question of who has custody of their children. The answer seems to be Cruise, because the kids must be in his home every day for their schooling.

As for Holmes, the W interview conducted by Rob Haskell features comments from the omnipresent Feshbach (who goes by her second husband's name, Rodriguez).

When Holmes is asked to describe her feelings for Cruise, Feshbach interrupts and says, "You adore him."

During the interview, Holmes in a very choreographed stunt receives an expensive "surprise" gift from Cruise.

If the whole point of the Cruise-Holmes "romance," though, was to sell "War of the Worlds," then it's time to take a look at the results.

"War" had a tough weekend, finishing second to "Fantastic Four" and taking in $31 million. That puts its domestic box office at $165 million.

The movie, however, cost $182 million. So how does that break down?

First, take $40 million off the top for Cruise and director Steven Spielberg.

Then split the remainder in half, because the record 3,900 screens on which the movie is playing get 50 percent of the take.

That leaves us with $67.5 million with which the studio can now pay bills.

But the bottom line is $120 million away. That would have been all right if "War" had had a bigger first weekend and more momentum now. But "Fantastic Four" has put one nail in its coffin.

Come Friday, both "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" and "Wedding Crashers" will come like steamrollers over "War." The result is going to be bloody, with "War" likely to do less than $15 million and finish fourth.

For Cruise, it doesn't matter. He's rich, and he's isolated. If "Mission: Impossible 3" goes into production, he'll spend even more. Oprah will continue to bow to him, although, to her credit, even Rosie O'Donnell has publicly disowned him in the Brooke Shields deal.

For Spielberg, "War" is behind him. He's already making his next film, which if he's on target will wipe out all the bad feelings about "War."

The real loser in all of this? Why, Katie Holmes.

In the last few weeks, her agent and manager have been dismissed, and a really great, much-coveted film role that of Edie Sedgwick has been taken from her. The producers of "Batman Begins" already have said she won't be back for the sequel.

But she's still got her new best friend, and a watch from Tom

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Re: Katie Holmes more Zombie like than ever
« Reply #1 on: Jul 11^th, 2005, 8:35am »

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Well.... Katie is a good actreesss Roll Eyes

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« Reply #2 on: Jul 11^th, 2005, 8:35am »

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She is my fave in dawson's Creek.

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« Reply #3 on: Jul 11^th, 2005, 2:57pm »

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It's my understanding that Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise have joint custody.

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« Reply #4 on: Jul 11^th, 2005, 5:05pm »

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Not meaning to sound mean about all of this concerning Tom and Katie, but, I'M SICK OF IT!

There are more events to be concerned with in my life and this does not hold any priority for me.

If she's so dumb that she goes apr s*@# over this 40 something man with two children to raise, she gets what she deserves. No sympathy here!

I'm more concerned about the families and children left behind of the Navy Seals who had their heads cut off this past week in Afghanistan.!
They are priority! Not this follywood crap!

Tom grow up!
Katie, if you're so dumb, you deserve Tom!

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« Reply #5 on: Jul 11^th, 2005, 7:19pm »

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« Reply #6 on: Jul 11^th, 2005, 10:20pm »

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OK, nothing was meant to Angel for posting this thread, for I know how she feels about this mess of Tom and Katie.
And I'm still sick of him, hated his movie, probably because he was in it!

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Re: Katie Holmes more Zombie like than ever
« Reply #7 on: Jul 12^th, 2005, 10:05am »

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I found this article very interesting. I feel for Katie because she is being brainwashed and losing control of her life. Or so it appears...
I don't think it's about her being dumb at all. Even smart
people can be brainwashed.

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« Reply #8 on: Jul 12^th, 2005, 10:18am »

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I agree LL, i feel awful for her, at first i thought the "Free Katie" stuff was kinda funny, after reading this, its obvious that she has no control of her own life anymore. Her movie career is fading, as is Tom cruise's. WoTW did well, but it didn't even begin to recoup what the studio spent on it. He's crazy and I only hope some one will show her the light before its too late

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Re: Katie Holmes more Zombie like than ever
« Reply #9 on: Jul 12^th, 2005, 10:21am »

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Brainwashed, that is taking it a little far.

If a person is willingly going to the church, thats not being brainwashed. Yes that church (if you can call it that) is weird and practice some weird things, but she has gone into it on her own accord so who are we to say that its too weird so its brainwashing?

Im just tired of hearing people using the term about churches. I again want to point out I dont believe in this religion but at the same time I dont believe that she is being brain washed. I think she really thought it wouold be good for her career,......... and thank god Tom is finally being taken for the idiot hwe has allways been.

What about all the hollywood freaks (demi moore, brittney ect) that walk around with little red braclets on and tell everyone how its the source of thier strength?

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« Reply #10 on: Jul 12^th, 2005, 10:40am »

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If a person is willingly going to the church, thats not being brainwashed.

Totally disagree on this Puff. People often go willingly into situations where they are taken advantage of.

Just reading something elsewhere...

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So is mind control myth or reality? "'Mind control' is a made-up term", says Professor E Mark Stern of Iona Collage in New York, author of The Other Side of the Couch. "But yes, it is possible to totally influence a person's inner world."

According to Stern, there can be good mind control and bad mind control. "In its best sense, mind control is akin to self-control, often used as a product of meditation. This can be helpful for pain management.

"But then there are things like cults - there, mind control happens when a cult wins over another person's consciousness through hypnotic-like inducements including 'love bombs', a form of praise, overseeing an inductee's every action, and eventually using shame and the threat of being expelled by the cult as a means of controlling them."

Mind control is a relatively recent concept. It first emerged in the aftermath of the Korean war, when it was claimed that the Chinese had carried out mind control experiments on US prisoners of war, as depicted in the 1962 film The Manchurian Candidate.

Since then mind control, or "brainwashing", has been used to explain many different phenomena, from our ad-led consumer culture to some people's willingness to ditch everything and sign up to weird millenarian cults.

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« Reply #11 on: Jul 12^th, 2005, 11:00am »

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You think your way and Ill think mine....lol

I think shes just a dumb girl that believes what Toms friends are telling her. I think brainwashing includes the idea that the person is not in control of thier situation, I think she is in control but just just allowing everything to take place.

As for it being a cult, sure and no at the same time. Yeah its crazy what they will do and say to make a buck. But nobody is being worshipped so how can it be a cult? its a bunch of idiots that think that if they take part in the flash gordon methods they will have a better life.

PS.... katie not getting part two of Batman has absolutly nothing to do with this stuff, her character is a childhood friend, thats its, nowhere for it to go when the Bat is gonna meet Vicki... thats why if any of you saw the movie, you wouldve seen where she breaks it off at the end.... making sure she wont be in it in the future. this movie wrapped over a year ago so that would prove that since the movie itself tells the story that she isnt in it anymore and that the movie was made way b4 tom came a preaching ... you get my drift.

maybe Katie can go back to acting school or maybe dawsons creek will have a reunion soon..... lol

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« Reply #12 on: Jul 12^th, 2005, 11:04am »

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Ok...so the "church" of scientology has some weird beliefs... its not as if the baptist, catholic, lutheran, mormon, etc. churches doesn't either.....

it will be interesting to see how Cruises and Holmes (particularly Holmes) acting career pans out.... If Holmes, sees that her bank account is fizzled maybe she will forgo scientology.....

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« Reply #13 on: Jul 12^th, 2005, 1:39pm »

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I remember being that young and being in love with a guy that I would have changed relegions for. We dated for 2 years. My parents tried to tell me it would not work out. Thank God we broke up. I realize now that it would have never worked. I have been married 19 years to a wonderful man.

I read that she ahad a crush on him since she was a little girl etc... Perhaps it will work out. I seriously doubt it. Look at his track record. I bet her parents are besides themselves. We all make our own choices and have to live with those choices.....

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