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« on: Jul 14th, 2005, 4:58pm »		 Quote Quote Modify Modify
LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- The 19-month-old toddler who died during a gunfire exchange between police and her father was killed by a single police bullet to the head, the Los Angeles County coroner said Wednesday.
The report said it came from a Los Angeles Police Department officer's rifle.
The girl's father, Jose Raul Pena, died as a result of multiple gunshot wounds, the coroner said.
Pena, 34, was holding his daughter Suzy when he opened fire on police last Sunday, unleashing 40 shots in three separate exchanges. He and his daughter died in a hail of gunfire after he confronted police in an alley behind his apartment.
A total of 11 officers fired nearly 90 shots at Pena.
Chief William Bratton said Monday that Pena "left the officers no choice."
The LAPD's internal investigative unit was looking into the shooting, and its findings will be reviewed by the district attorney's office and the civilian Police Commission.
In a timeline offered by Bratton, the incident began at 2 p.m. when Pena's estranged wife made a domestic terrorist report, accusing him of threatening her, his 17-year-old stepdaughter and the toddler.
At that time, officers could not find him, Bratton said.
About two hours later, the stepdaughter called 911 from Pena's auto dealership to report that he had threatened her, Bratton said.
Before police arrived, a dispatcher called back, and the stepdaughter answered, but the call abruptly ended, Bratton said.
After 4 p.m., shortly after officers arrived, Pena began shooting, using the toddler as a shield, Bratton said.
The 17-year-old stepdaughter escaped, later telling police that Pena was under the influence of cocaine and alcohol and had threatened to kill her, the toddler, his wife and himself, Bratton said.
Though crisis negotiators were able to talk by telephone with Pena at 5 p.m., he ended the call about 5:35 p.m., Bratton said.
At about 6:30 p.m., in the last of the shootings, Pena and the baby were killed.
Sunday's incident was only the second time in the 38-year history of the SWAT team that a hostage died during a standoff involving the unit, Bratton said. In the last incident, in the 1970s, the victim was killed by the hostage-taker, he said.
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 14th, 2005, 5:03pm »		 Quote Quote Modify Modify
I suspect this is gonna get ugly and involve a lot of litigation...
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 14th, 2005, 6:23pm »		 Quote Quote Modify Modify
To me, the father is to blame... he took his own child into a dangerous situation.  He was shooting at police with the assumption that they wouldn't shoot back because of the child.  I hate that it happened... but I still say the father is at fault, not the officer.
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 14th, 2005, 7:34pm »		 Quote Quote Modify Modify
I agree Yesteach, its horrible that the little girl died, however her father put her in that situation.  I know those police officers must feel terrible, but its not their fault, you can't let a lunatic with gun and a child go.  Who knows how many people that man could have killed.  Not saying the child's life is worth less than others, just saying the police aren't to blame
 
but Rhune is right, the lawyers are gonna have a field day with this.  Next thing you know police won't be able to shoot supects anymore.  
 
 
here in baltimore, after a civilian was killed during a highspeed chase, they passed a law saying police in pursuit of a suspect can't go more than 10 miles above the speed limit.. how dumb is that?
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« Reply #4 on: Jul 15th, 2005, 1:09am »		 Quote Quote Modify Modify
"Next thing you know police won't be able to shoot supects anymore."  
 
They don't do that NOW!  They may shoot AT the suspects but their aim is dreadful.  They really aught to take these cops out to the firing range more often.  A few months back, there was a chase that ended up with the police wounding a suspect after he tried to drive away from them. Over 100 rounds were fired.  And he was only wounded! Shocked
Suspects are safe.  Everybody else needs to watch out. Sad
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 15th, 2005, 6:59am »		 Quote Quote Modify Modify
I dop not understand.
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 15th, 2005, 3:49pm »		 Quote Quote Modify Modify
on Jul 15th, 2005, 6:59am, cHa_cHa_LoVeR wrote:
I dop not understand.

 
Nobody does.  That's the point. Sad
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 15th, 2005, 10:03pm »		 Quote Quote Modify Modify
I agree with many of you here, the father is to blame for what happened to the baby.  Its so sad that a father could allow this to happen, come on use your baby as a shield.  Its plain sick sick sick...
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