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New Clues + NEL Penalties - Love 'em or hate 'em?
« on: Jan 2^nd, 2008, 1:54am »

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We used to start off with a FF.

But after which TAR 5 came along with a Yield + NEL penalty of taking away all money.

TAR 7 took away clothings as well.

TAR 10 came along with a 30 mins NEL penalty, and the introduction of an Intersection.

TAR 12 had a new speedbump and a U-TURN as well. As TAR changes all the time, which clues do you like/hate?

I personally still love the FF and the Yield, and was really sad when they removed the Yield from this season. At least there is a standard time penalty for the Yield, but for the U-TURN which now replaces the Yield, it can be really unfair if the other Detour is really hard and un-doable.. in the end teams will suffer a time loss even more than the Yield itself.

Of all the penalties, i kinda like the Speedbump, but i question how long does it take to complete a speedbump task? Is it a harsh enough challenge for the teams who came in last place? On the other hand, a 30 minutes penalty might really pull a team to last place (David and Mary), that's why i still really prefer the penalty of having teams to surrender all their money and take away their possessions. But producers might already find out that sometimes when teams beg, they then have more than what they have than the beginning, so i guess that's when the 30 mins penalty came in. But i thought the speedbump task is really cool, because now we get to see more new things on the race as well.

I still prefer Yield over U-TURN. I love to see teams stressed out on the Yield mat rather than getting them to complete the other Detour task. It's a total let's say, killer. Had Nathan and Jennifer been U-TURN this leg, i bet they're gonna be eliminated 100% because there's no way that they can recover from the U-TURN. Sigh, i don't like the U-TURN at all.

And with the FF being something more of a decision based one (shaving hair, getting a tattoo), what do you think about it? I personally like it because it is something that teams will have to think about/sacrifice and not that easy to come about, thus letting the teams who went for the FF to gain an easy advantage.

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Re: New Clues + NEL Penalties - Love 'em or hate '
« Reply #1 on: Jan 2^nd, 2008, 3:49am »

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Well, I for one actually prefer the U-Turn over the Yield. Why you may ask? Well, for one, you essentially determine your own penalty. I like that. Your penalty is based on how well your team can complete a task. It's much better then being eliminated based on a pre-determined set time that production chooses. It's more so on your own doing this way. In response to Popo, they usually make both Detours fairly equal. Rarely do they have one Detour that is completely 100% better then the other. I really do think production is going to be careful as to which legs to place U-Turns on. I don't think they are going to place them on a leg where it takes an hour to get back to the Detour and another hour to complete it.

As far as the Speed Bump goes, I love it. It's by far the best NEL penalty so far. Because just like the U-Turn, you determine how long the penalty is. It's not a time that production sets. It's also better then begging and mugging. That was just crazy and alot of people didn't like the idea of Americans begging in countries that aren't well off. The MFE penalty was always either easily reboundable (with an FF) or very deadly.

I still love FFs, and of course, it needs to be back in for at least half the legs. Right now, it's practicually first come first serve. Ugh. There is no strategy as to when it should be used, because teams know that they really may only be given that one opprotunity there to use it. And because of that, one of the first teams nearly always takes it. With it being on every leg, there really was strategy. Should we use it now? Or later? It also allowed for there to be a variety of winning teams. Something the show has lost of recent, TAR5 & TAR9 in paticular. The FF adds an element of competition to the race. It allows weak teams to all of a sudden become threats (Derek & Drew, Ken & Gerard for example). Not to mention we've had more close battles for the FFs in TAR1-4 then we've had since TAR5. The reason? People know after TAR5 that if they aren't in the lead pack, they shouldn't even bother going for it as it won't even be available. In TAR1-4, you had teams fighting for the FF because they didn't know another team would be going for it and it happened out of pure coincidence (examples include Rob/Brennan and Dave/Marg, Teri/Ian and JVJ, Ken/Gerard and Derek/Drew, Bill/Joe and Nancy/Emily) these are the only I can think of and I'm sure there are more. The only that comes to my mind from TAR5+ is MOJO and Frats in TAR9, and maybe even Paolos FF in TAR8 but even then, that wasn't a fight between the Gaghans because all they did was wait there. Similarly to Rob/Amber did in TAR7 with Ray/Deana.

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Re: New Clues + NEL Penalties - Love 'em or hate '
« Reply #2 on: Jan 2^nd, 2008, 9:20am »

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Uturn- I like it because as racedude pointed out how long the detour takes is dependent on the team. If a team is calm and collective, they likely will be able to finish both detours quickly, however, if they are hyper then it will slow them down. So essentially, the fate lies in their hands not the producers who have assigned a predetermined time. But I think they will be realistic with the Uturn and place it close to the detours, it's not going to be like "you're in Toronto, do a detour, drive to Montreal "UTURN", drive back to Toronto to do the other detour"...

Speed Bump- Personally my favourite option because it is dependent on the team and is actually a penalty. Aside from the obvious uneasiness of not having somewhere to keep your passport, I actually think getting rid of luggage might be more of an advantage, you don't have this extra luggage to carry around, don't have to worry about luggage needing to be checked (there have been times when the racers backpack has had to go through as checked, not carry on). As for the money, I dont think I've ever seen it really affect a team. I dont think a team that has lost money has ever been eliminated because of that. I was watching Season 5 on OLN a few weeks ago and noticed Brandon/Nicole were asking people for money during the pitstop, if they are allowed to do then how is it a penalty since it isn't slowing them down at all since the pitstop isn't part of the race? And in a lot of seasons, racers have been given money from other teams which also doesn't slow teams down...

I think speed bump actually affects a team. Let's take for example Uchenna and Joyce's NEL on the last leg. The lack of money slowed them down initially, yes, however, they caught up by bunching in Puerto Rico and eventually won. Now suppose they arrived in Puerto Rico and were met with a speed bump, they would NEVER have been able to make the flight and therefore would have lost.

I also don't like the idea of having "Rich americas" beg for money in developing nations. Yes I realize the racers tend to ask tourists and not locals, but I dont like the idea of them running around a developing nation where people are in poverty, saying "we need money, we can't get to the airport, we're in a race for a million, give us money" (paraphased, but you know...)....

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Re: New Clues + NEL Penalties - Love 'em or hate '
« Reply #3 on: Jan 2^nd, 2008, 9:42am »

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U-Turn - I think it's a better twist for the Racers because doing a task can keep their minds occupied than waiting on a Yield mat doing nothing. It might not be a better twist for viewers though. How many teams have broken down on the Yield mat? I hope they haven't removed the Yield coz it's a good source of drama. (Rob/Amber's faces getting graffitied by Ron/Kelly, Weavers mocking the Yield pictures, Danielle having a meltdown because of getting Yielded etc.)

Speed Bump - I don't like it. Each Speed Bump task can't be equal. They can't do Yoga as the Speed Bump all the time, could they? What if the next Speed Bump requires a team to carry 60 bricks up a 10-story building? I thought the 30-minute penalty for NELs is perfect. It's equal for everyone, and it's always 30 minutes.

Finally, there are too many clues now!

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Re: New Clues + NEL Penalties - Love 'em or hate '
« Reply #4 on: Jan 2^nd, 2008, 10:05am »

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hmm JP you have a good point about the speed bump, but evenso, the speedbump would depend on the team. Could you imagine if you had a team like David and Mary doing complex yoga poses? Before baby D, I did yoga and its definitely something flexibility is needed for. hmm, interesting point...

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Re: New Clues + NEL Penalties - Love 'em or hate '
« Reply #5 on: Jan 2^nd, 2008, 12:25pm »

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If Danielle ever returns, they will bring back the Yield, so that she can be Yielded every time it's possible to Yield her yet again. Danielle's picture just belongs on that big yellow sign, it seems.

Plus, Yield Queens sounds much better than U-Turn Queens.

There should be more FF (or put in the Skip Task thing I talked about in the Ep. 7 thread)

About the Speed Bump... I think the 30-minute penalty is better, because there's a way to get around it. I mean, if you do really well you can avoid it. With the Speed Bump, you have to do it. I like the idea of being able to do so well, you don't have to take the penalty.

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